1 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:02,960 reading citizens and welcome to unknown 2 00:00:26,900 --> 00:00:24,920 [Music] 3 00:00:28,610 --> 00:00:26,910 I'm Jason McClellan I'm here with 4 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:28,620 Maureen Elsberry and Shane herd and we 5 00:00:34,220 --> 00:00:30,450 are grateful to you for hanging out with 6 00:00:38,030 --> 00:00:34,230 us today guys we've reached 2019 it's a 7 00:00:39,979 --> 00:00:38,040 new year and Maureen you and I have now 8 00:00:42,350 --> 00:00:39,989 officially been researching and 9 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:42,360 reporting on UFOs and other paranormal 10 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:45,650 topics together for more than a decade 11 00:00:52,250 --> 00:00:47,730 congratulations partner that's a pretty 12 00:00:55,070 --> 00:00:52,260 big milestone Wow that that feels crazy 13 00:00:56,270 --> 00:00:55,080 we haven't gotten a lot done have we 14 00:00:59,270 --> 00:00:56,280 well 15 00:01:01,790 --> 00:00:59,280 kidding I guess yeah when you put it all 16 00:01:03,500 --> 00:01:01,800 on paper it's kind of impressive but you 17 00:01:05,510 --> 00:01:03,510 know I think we're just getting started 18 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:05,520 so that's the exciting part for sure and 19 00:01:11,660 --> 00:01:07,890 some good stuff coming up yeah yeah I 20 00:01:14,150 --> 00:01:11,670 say more spacing out yo yes a fan well 21 00:01:16,580 --> 00:01:14,160 we appreciate that for sure and and 22 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:16,590 we're fans of spacing out too so we'll 23 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:18,450 see what we can do about that in 2019 24 00:01:23,150 --> 00:01:20,490 and Shane you and I have been doing lots 25 00:01:24,859 --> 00:01:23,160 of brainstorming together and 2019 is 26 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:24,869 shaping up to have some pretty fun 27 00:01:30,260 --> 00:01:27,210 projects we'll be working on are you as 28 00:01:33,050 --> 00:01:30,270 excited for 2019 as I am oh yeah let's 29 00:01:36,289 --> 00:01:33,060 get it gone I now make just to just 30 00:01:38,570 --> 00:01:36,299 leave 2018 in the dust frankly so ask in 31 00:01:41,270 --> 00:01:38,580 let's look forward yeah good riddance 32 00:01:43,010 --> 00:01:41,280 for sure well today we're gonna run 33 00:01:44,990 --> 00:01:43,020 through some of the UFO related things 34 00:01:46,910 --> 00:01:45,000 coming up this year that we're looking 35 00:01:48,890 --> 00:01:46,920 forward to and we'll start with 36 00:01:50,750 --> 00:01:48,900 entertainment because there's a lot of 37 00:01:53,090 --> 00:01:50,760 entertainment coming up in the world of 38 00:01:55,969 --> 00:01:53,100 UFOs and first up is a television 39 00:01:58,039 --> 00:01:55,979 special titled Roswell mysteries decoded 40 00:02:00,800 --> 00:01:58,049 this is a show that features our fellow 41 00:02:02,660 --> 00:02:00,810 rogue planet Eire Ryan Sprague it also 42 00:02:04,969 --> 00:02:02,670 features our friend and colleague Frank 43 00:02:06,499 --> 00:02:04,979 Kim blurr and this trailer for this 44 00:02:09,740 --> 00:02:06,509 special doesn't really provide much 45 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:09,750 detail about the premise of the show but 46 00:02:13,850 --> 00:02:11,730 Ryan's been explaining that they quote 47 00:02:16,310 --> 00:02:13,860 explore the Roswell incident from a 48 00:02:19,039 --> 00:02:16,320 brand new perspective well Ryan on the 49 00:02:21,350 --> 00:02:19,049 show soon to talk more about it but this 50 00:02:23,090 --> 00:02:21,360 special airs on January 10th so it's 51 00:02:26,210 --> 00:02:23,100 coming up really soon and it's gonna be 52 00:02:28,729 --> 00:02:26,220 on the CW network it airs at 9 p.m. 53 00:02:31,699 --> 00:02:28,739 Eastern and it'll be available on the 54 00:02:33,500 --> 00:02:31,709 CW's digital network CW seed the 55 00:02:36,949 --> 00:02:33,510 following day 56 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:36,959 this special is essentially serving as a 57 00:02:40,699 --> 00:02:39,090 pilot episode for a television series 58 00:02:42,199 --> 00:02:40,709 that's their hope so the network is 59 00:02:44,899 --> 00:02:42,209 using this special to gauge public 60 00:02:46,640 --> 00:02:44,909 interest so I encourage everyone to tune 61 00:02:49,309 --> 00:02:46,650 in for this show so it has a better 62 00:02:50,539 --> 00:02:49,319 chance of becoming a series have you 63 00:02:54,110 --> 00:02:50,549 both seen the trailer for Roswell 64 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:54,120 mysteries decoded yes a very shadow Ryan 65 00:02:59,839 --> 00:02:56,970 shadowy Ryan in the background or half a 66 00:03:01,670 --> 00:02:59,849 second yes yeah I've seen it as well 67 00:03:03,619 --> 00:03:01,680 good stuff and it's funny because 68 00:03:06,140 --> 00:03:03,629 multiple people have commented to me 69 00:03:07,970 --> 00:03:06,150 that you know congratulating me for 70 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:07,980 being part of it and you know saying we 71 00:03:11,750 --> 00:03:10,170 heard Jason's voice so no no that's 72 00:03:13,940 --> 00:03:11,760 that's not my voice I promise I promise 73 00:03:16,670 --> 00:03:13,950 guys I'm not in this show you know I 74 00:03:18,860 --> 00:03:16,680 would listen to it after after I saw 75 00:03:20,990 --> 00:03:18,870 that comment and I was like okay well I 76 00:03:22,789 --> 00:03:21,000 I could sort of see how somebody would 77 00:03:26,629 --> 00:03:22,799 shake that possibly this was Jason 78 00:03:29,210 --> 00:03:26,639 butter no tell me something 79 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:29,220 no no I I would happily tell you guys 80 00:03:33,770 --> 00:03:31,170 but I can promise everyone right now no 81 00:03:35,990 --> 00:03:33,780 I I'm not in that show yeah this will be 82 00:03:37,909 --> 00:03:36,000 interesting because as Ryan's been 83 00:03:39,199 --> 00:03:37,919 saying he's trying to you know they're 84 00:03:41,270 --> 00:03:39,209 coming at it from a brand new 85 00:03:43,189 --> 00:03:41,280 perspective and you think that is it 86 00:03:45,619 --> 00:03:43,199 possible to have a brand new perspective 87 00:03:47,330 --> 00:03:45,629 on the Roswell case presents good 88 00:03:49,699 --> 00:03:47,340 question presenting it was researching 89 00:03:54,589 --> 00:03:49,709 so I'm interested to see what they do I 90 00:03:56,330 --> 00:03:54,599 think this is gonna be more geared well 91 00:03:58,159 --> 00:03:56,340 I think the benefit of this will be more 92 00:04:01,159 --> 00:03:58,169 geared towards younger generations 93 00:04:05,509 --> 00:04:01,169 because this is in tandem with the 94 00:04:08,809 --> 00:04:05,519 Roswell TV show reboot which is you know 95 00:04:11,089 --> 00:04:08,819 a teenybopper show if you ever saw the 96 00:04:14,470 --> 00:04:11,099 one in the Dan was that it was in the 97 00:04:17,990 --> 00:04:14,480 90s I think yeah yeah which I watched 98 00:04:20,330 --> 00:04:18,000 just for the hell of it kind of but it's 99 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:20,340 not great by any means we'll see we'll 100 00:04:25,490 --> 00:04:22,250 see what how they do with the reboot 101 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:25,500 yeah I saw that thing when I had surgery 102 00:04:29,659 --> 00:04:27,930 and was off for three weeks and I needed 103 00:04:32,270 --> 00:04:29,669 to binge on something so I watched the 104 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:32,280 whole thing I was like three seasons 105 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:34,650 wasn't bad and I mean again at least 106 00:04:38,899 --> 00:04:37,530 it's you know UFO content so it'll be 107 00:04:41,890 --> 00:04:38,909 interesting to see what they do with the 108 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:41,900 reboot I think that's the one that got 109 00:04:47,050 --> 00:04:44,849 Katherine Heigl her start and Giada 110 00:04:49,150 --> 00:04:47,060 sness yeah that's right 111 00:04:52,300 --> 00:04:49,160 played a teen a lien you know I think 112 00:04:54,310 --> 00:04:52,310 plenty of people will be Downers about 113 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:54,320 this show this special and in grumble 114 00:04:58,270 --> 00:04:56,810 and say Oh Roswell why are we doing more 115 00:05:00,820 --> 00:04:58,280 about Roswell enough with Roswell 116 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:00,830 already but as we talked about so much 117 00:05:05,860 --> 00:05:02,690 on the show you know I I certainly 118 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:05,870 personally feel that Roswell has value 119 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:07,970 and certainly will always have value as 120 00:05:13,270 --> 00:05:10,930 an important case in UFO history and 121 00:05:16,030 --> 00:05:13,280 like you pointed out morning this is for 122 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:16,040 a mainstream audience for a younger 123 00:05:19,750 --> 00:05:18,170 audience and I think that that 124 00:05:22,150 --> 00:05:19,760 introduction and and certainly 125 00:05:23,650 --> 00:05:22,160 revisiting cases is something that 126 00:05:26,830 --> 00:05:23,660 should always be done and we'll always 127 00:05:30,550 --> 00:05:26,840 have value yeah geared towards UFO 128 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:30,560 researchers right yeah and we kind of 129 00:05:34,270 --> 00:05:32,450 sometimes you don't think about that is 130 00:05:36,730 --> 00:05:34,280 that you know we're familiar with that 131 00:05:38,230 --> 00:05:36,740 case like crazy but you know there are a 132 00:05:40,930 --> 00:05:38,240 lot of people that aren't never even 133 00:05:42,610 --> 00:05:40,940 heard of it or barely heard about it so 134 00:05:44,350 --> 00:05:42,620 yeah I don't think you can dismiss a 135 00:05:46,780 --> 00:05:44,360 case just because it's old and historic 136 00:05:49,300 --> 00:05:46,790 I mean there's a value to it no matter 137 00:05:53,190 --> 00:05:49,310 what and I do think this the show will 138 00:05:56,620 --> 00:05:53,200 will appeal to veteran UFO researchers 139 00:06:00,640 --> 00:05:56,630 because it again is about a topic that 140 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:00,650 we all love but it also features from 141 00:06:06,340 --> 00:06:03,890 the looks of it it features some actual 142 00:06:09,150 --> 00:06:06,350 investigation and as we pointed out 143 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:09,160 before I think Frank Imbler has some 144 00:06:14,110 --> 00:06:11,930 material some evidence worth looking 145 00:06:16,390 --> 00:06:14,120 into more than has been done and 146 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:16,400 hopefully they do that with this show so 147 00:06:20,290 --> 00:06:18,890 I'm curious to see what happens I'm 148 00:06:22,510 --> 00:06:20,300 gonna have to wait till the 11th because 149 00:06:26,710 --> 00:06:22,520 I do not have television so I can't 150 00:06:27,970 --> 00:06:26,720 watch The CW live yeah I think a lot of 151 00:06:30,250 --> 00:06:27,980 people are gonna watch it after the fact 152 00:06:32,380 --> 00:06:30,260 and that's that's great so we'll 153 00:06:33,970 --> 00:06:32,390 certainly have to do a debrief after it 154 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:33,980 airs and well we'll get Ryan on to you 155 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:37,610 to discuss it and to to ridicule Ryan 156 00:06:42,460 --> 00:06:41,450 for his feelings let's grill them well 157 00:06:45,070 --> 00:06:42,470 it's cool for Ryan 158 00:06:47,350 --> 00:06:45,080 vini I think it's great and again a 159 00:06:50,230 --> 00:06:47,360 major Network like the CW doing an 160 00:06:52,510 --> 00:06:50,240 investigative show on the UFO topic 161 00:06:56,230 --> 00:06:52,520 that's progress my friends that's 162 00:06:59,500 --> 00:06:56,240 progress yes yes it is let's jump in to 163 00:07:00,839 --> 00:06:59,510 something that I can't stop talking 164 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:00,849 about because I am 165 00:07:05,010 --> 00:07:02,490 excited for this show and that is 166 00:07:07,049 --> 00:07:05,020 history's project Bluebook 167 00:07:09,929 --> 00:07:07,059 i know we've discussed it last year on 168 00:07:13,139 --> 00:07:09,939 this show but guys Project Blue Book is 169 00:07:14,429 --> 00:07:13,149 coming up this is a brand-new series it 170 00:07:18,869 --> 00:07:14,439 premieres on the History Channel on 171 00:07:22,589 --> 00:07:18,879 January 8th this thing is so exciting to 172 00:07:26,969 --> 00:07:22,599 me because it's based on something real 173 00:07:29,969 --> 00:07:26,979 from UFO history and it is so well 174 00:07:32,219 --> 00:07:29,979 produced and history has thrown so much 175 00:07:35,129 --> 00:07:32,229 money at this show I can't believe it 176 00:07:38,969 --> 00:07:35,139 they're putting so much money into a UFO 177 00:07:41,369 --> 00:07:38,979 series yeah again I don't have cable so 178 00:07:44,129 --> 00:07:41,379 I'm gonna have to buy the series on 179 00:07:45,839 --> 00:07:44,139 Amazon which is kind of a bummer but I'm 180 00:07:47,459 --> 00:07:45,849 sure like you said you've watched the 181 00:07:49,529 --> 00:07:47,469 first episode and said it was great so 182 00:07:49,919 --> 00:07:49,539 I'm sure it's something then I won't 183 00:07:53,939 --> 00:07:49,929 feel bad 184 00:07:57,629 --> 00:07:53,949 owning hopefully hopefully that it'll be 185 00:08:00,239 --> 00:07:57,639 as impressive as it already looks yes 186 00:08:02,820 --> 00:08:00,249 sir the production guys is really high 187 00:08:04,529 --> 00:08:02,830 so I mean if you just go up into the 188 00:08:07,170 --> 00:08:04,539 right frame of mind that this is not a 189 00:08:09,509 --> 00:08:07,180 documentary you know it should be very 190 00:08:12,119 --> 00:08:09,519 appealing I think and that I really hope 191 00:08:14,369 --> 00:08:12,129 they do get you know good response cuz 192 00:08:17,339 --> 00:08:14,379 be great to see that thing continue on 193 00:08:19,799 --> 00:08:17,349 I think obviously there's you know even 194 00:08:21,779 --> 00:08:19,809 701 cases that haven't been solved by 195 00:08:25,469 --> 00:08:21,789 Project Blue Book and that's a lot of 196 00:08:29,639 --> 00:08:25,479 material for a fiction TV show I think 197 00:08:31,579 --> 00:08:29,649 to cover even yeah for sure now i-i've 198 00:08:34,290 --> 00:08:31,589 been describing this this show to people 199 00:08:36,059 --> 00:08:34,300 you know saying that if you like the 200 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:36,069 x-files you'll certainly like this 201 00:08:42,059 --> 00:08:39,610 because it is a fictional show it's just 202 00:08:45,090 --> 00:08:42,069 a drama it's not a documentary but it's 203 00:08:46,860 --> 00:08:45,100 based on something real and so if you 204 00:08:48,809 --> 00:08:46,870 like the x-files you'll like this show 205 00:08:52,530 --> 00:08:48,819 because it's again about the UFO topic 206 00:08:54,900 --> 00:08:52,540 and I describe it to people as a sort of 207 00:08:56,879 --> 00:08:54,910 x-files period piece I've also heard the 208 00:08:58,740 --> 00:08:56,889 people behind the show describe it as 209 00:09:00,269 --> 00:08:58,750 sort of a hybrid of Mad Men and the 210 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:00,279 x-files and that's a really good way to 211 00:09:07,350 --> 00:09:03,970 describe it too they've done a really 212 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:07,360 good job with the visuals on this show 213 00:09:11,970 --> 00:09:09,250 with the production with the writing and 214 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:11,980 the people behind the show are giant UFO 215 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:14,450 geeks as well and I think that 216 00:09:19,870 --> 00:09:16,730 they've got hynek's kids as consultants 217 00:09:21,340 --> 00:09:19,880 on the show and again you history is 218 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:21,350 putting so much money into this not just 219 00:09:27,700 --> 00:09:25,730 into the show but also into UFO sort of 220 00:09:29,380 --> 00:09:27,710 public education if you look on their 221 00:09:31,690 --> 00:09:29,390 website you follow their social media 222 00:09:33,630 --> 00:09:31,700 channels they are just churning stuff 223 00:09:36,130 --> 00:09:33,640 out left and right 224 00:09:37,540 --> 00:09:36,140 you know related to the show and not 225 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:37,550 related to the show just things about 226 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:40,010 UFOs in general with UFO sightings and 227 00:09:45,130 --> 00:09:42,290 things like that and I think that's 228 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:45,140 really cool to see and certainly in the 229 00:09:49,990 --> 00:09:47,170 past few weeks because of all the press 230 00:09:52,450 --> 00:09:50,000 the Blitz they've been doing hyping up 231 00:09:56,170 --> 00:09:52,460 this show there's been a lot of 232 00:09:57,400 --> 00:09:56,180 attention on J Allen Hynek the person 233 00:10:01,200 --> 00:09:57,410 who the lead character in the show is 234 00:10:03,250 --> 00:10:01,210 based on so you're getting this public 235 00:10:05,380 --> 00:10:03,260 introduction if you will the mainstream 236 00:10:07,210 --> 00:10:05,390 public is being introduced to J Allen 237 00:10:11,650 --> 00:10:07,220 Hynek this key figure in the history of 238 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:11,660 UFO research and that is just so unreal 239 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:13,730 to see I think it's fantastic absolutely 240 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:16,490 and I actually just ordered the series 241 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:18,170 right now while we were talking all 242 00:10:24,190 --> 00:10:21,050 right way to go hey if you don't like it 243 00:10:25,810 --> 00:10:24,200 yell at me but knowing you I think 244 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:25,820 you're gonna love it I'm gonna love it 245 00:10:31,270 --> 00:10:28,250 again I mean it's just a fun show if you 246 00:10:32,950 --> 00:10:31,280 like UFOs and if you like dramatic TV 247 00:10:34,690 --> 00:10:32,960 series I mean how could you not like 248 00:10:36,850 --> 00:10:34,700 that it's it's taking your interest it's 249 00:10:38,470 --> 00:10:36,860 and putting it on the screen you're 250 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:38,480 watching TV anyway you watch shows that 251 00:10:42,130 --> 00:10:40,250 that aren't about UFOs so you can watch 252 00:10:44,230 --> 00:10:42,140 a show about UFOs it's it's pretty 253 00:10:45,700 --> 00:10:44,240 awesome and again it's not 100 percent 254 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:45,710 accurate it's not going to be it's a TV 255 00:10:50,860 --> 00:10:48,890 show but again it's a TV show it's about 256 00:10:54,190 --> 00:10:50,870 the topic that we all love and that's a 257 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:54,200 win in my book yeah me too yeah yeah 258 00:10:58,780 --> 00:10:55,970 what do you guys think is going on with 259 00:11:01,570 --> 00:10:58,790 that that that so much UFO programming 260 00:11:03,820 --> 00:11:01,580 is coming out now on just recently and 261 00:11:05,830 --> 00:11:03,830 then slated for the next year I mean I'm 262 00:11:07,780 --> 00:11:05,840 totally stoked about it's exciting 263 00:11:09,910 --> 00:11:07,790 because like you said it's mainstreaming 264 00:11:12,700 --> 00:11:09,920 of a topic that we all love but I wonder 265 00:11:15,550 --> 00:11:12,710 why why this all this stuff is happening 266 00:11:18,940 --> 00:11:15,560 right now well I think obviously it has 267 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:18,950 a lot to do with there being a spotlight 268 00:11:23,830 --> 00:11:21,650 on government programs and things like 269 00:11:26,260 --> 00:11:23,840 that at the moment but you know there 270 00:11:27,170 --> 00:11:26,270 always has been these big UFO shows that 271 00:11:32,210 --> 00:11:27,180 were 272 00:11:34,250 --> 00:11:32,220 Jason do you remember the name of that 273 00:11:36,500 --> 00:11:34,260 one we were really excited about it was 274 00:11:38,540 --> 00:11:36,510 remember they were gonna make a area51 275 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:38,550 show writers for some party was gonna do 276 00:11:41,060 --> 00:11:40,050 that with Annie Jacobson yeah that was 277 00:11:42,430 --> 00:11:41,070 in production and I don't know what 278 00:11:45,110 --> 00:11:42,440 happened to that I haven't heard yeah I 279 00:11:47,900 --> 00:11:45,120 remember that as well yeah what happened 280 00:11:50,150 --> 00:11:47,910 to that yeah they were talking about it 281 00:11:52,100 --> 00:11:50,160 for a while and disappeared a clearly 282 00:11:54,020 --> 00:11:52,110 didn't make the cut so but yeah you know 283 00:11:57,230 --> 00:11:54,030 they're I think there's always been a 284 00:12:00,170 --> 00:11:57,240 surge of UFO shows and you know Jason 285 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:00,180 and I both have had this happen over the 286 00:12:04,250 --> 00:12:01,890 years where we'll get a lot of 287 00:12:06,860 --> 00:12:04,260 production companies contacting us like 288 00:12:09,650 --> 00:12:06,870 in a rush and all of a sudden like five 289 00:12:13,190 --> 00:12:09,660 shows are trying to be developed and 290 00:12:15,170 --> 00:12:13,200 then it'll go silent for eight months to 291 00:12:17,660 --> 00:12:15,180 a year and then all of a sudden TV 292 00:12:20,060 --> 00:12:17,670 networks are interested again so I think 293 00:12:23,510 --> 00:12:20,070 the paranormal topic has its herbs and 294 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:23,520 flows so to speak and when they see that 295 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:26,130 there's a need for it right now 296 00:12:32,030 --> 00:12:29,730 the subjects coming up a lot that they 297 00:12:35,390 --> 00:12:32,040 realize that there's money to be made in 298 00:12:38,540 --> 00:12:35,400 that programming and for it so well 299 00:12:41,030 --> 00:12:38,550 here's my take on it the Hollywood has 300 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:41,040 always had a love affair with the UFO 301 00:12:45,950 --> 00:12:43,290 topic UFOs and extraterrestrials have 302 00:12:47,510 --> 00:12:45,960 always been there and some of the top 303 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:47,520 grossing movies of all time are 304 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:49,650 extraterrestrial related films if you 305 00:12:54,650 --> 00:12:52,290 look back year after year and if you 306 00:12:56,450 --> 00:12:54,660 were to put it on paper and look at you 307 00:12:58,760 --> 00:12:56,460 know some of the biggest movies from 308 00:13:00,770 --> 00:12:58,770 that year or just look at the 309 00:13:02,180 --> 00:13:00,780 programming that's come out on TV in 310 00:13:03,890 --> 00:13:02,190 theaters whatever 311 00:13:05,870 --> 00:13:03,900 there's always an extraterrestrial 312 00:13:07,580 --> 00:13:05,880 presence and when you look at it on 313 00:13:10,250 --> 00:13:07,590 paper it's a lot more than you realize 314 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:10,260 especially when you start looking at you 315 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:11,970 know cartoons and programs aimed at 316 00:13:18,770 --> 00:13:14,490 children like aliens and UFOs are a 317 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:18,780 constant in those programs so I think 318 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:20,490 it's always there I don't necessarily 319 00:13:26,090 --> 00:13:24,090 know that we're seeing more now I do 320 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:26,100 know when you're involved in this topic 321 00:13:29,870 --> 00:13:28,410 on a professional level you certainly 322 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:29,880 pay attention to it more so it might 323 00:13:33,680 --> 00:13:32,850 seem like there's more but it's always 324 00:13:35,690 --> 00:13:33,690 been there man 325 00:13:38,060 --> 00:13:35,700 and and year after year we always see it 326 00:13:39,870 --> 00:13:38,070 and you know even years ago I think it 327 00:13:42,390 --> 00:13:39,880 was even more prevalent 328 00:13:44,790 --> 00:13:42,400 because you would see it in a large 329 00:13:46,500 --> 00:13:44,800 number of commercials that were on TV he 330 00:13:50,130 --> 00:13:46,510 looked at Super Bowl ads you know the 331 00:13:53,940 --> 00:13:50,140 most expensive highest-profile 332 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:53,950 commercials of the year and a handful of 333 00:13:57,600 --> 00:13:55,930 them featured an extraterrestrial theme 334 00:13:59,910 --> 00:13:57,610 and this was several years ago I mean 335 00:14:03,930 --> 00:13:59,920 things were really pop and then so I 336 00:14:06,810 --> 00:14:03,940 don't necessarily know or agree that 337 00:14:08,820 --> 00:14:06,820 we're seeing more of it now but you know 338 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:08,830 the History Channel has certainly veered 339 00:14:12,990 --> 00:14:11,290 more to the extra-terrestrial topic in 340 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:13,000 recent years and that's largely due to 341 00:14:17,430 --> 00:14:15,490 the success of ancient aliens they they 342 00:14:19,350 --> 00:14:17,440 see that the demand is there and they 343 00:14:21,990 --> 00:14:19,360 need to make money so they're embracing 344 00:14:24,420 --> 00:14:22,000 it 100% and that's great 345 00:14:26,430 --> 00:14:24,430 I love it you know I'll take whatever we 346 00:14:28,650 --> 00:14:26,440 can get yeah absolutely 347 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:28,660 well I'm sure we're going to see a lot 348 00:14:33,570 --> 00:14:31,090 of UFO and extraterrestrial related 349 00:14:37,050 --> 00:14:33,580 shows on TV and in the theaters this 350 00:14:39,900 --> 00:14:37,060 year we all know several people who have 351 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:39,910 been in the production phases of various 352 00:14:44,340 --> 00:14:41,650 TV shows and like morning pointed out 353 00:14:46,530 --> 00:14:44,350 that you know happens all the time so 354 00:14:47,730 --> 00:14:46,540 we'll see how many of these see the 355 00:14:50,670 --> 00:14:47,740 light of day we'll keep our fingers 356 00:14:54,780 --> 00:14:50,680 crossed and I just realized we're not 357 00:14:58,350 --> 00:14:54,790 talking about Dana and Greg new Kirk's 358 00:15:01,260 --> 00:14:58,360 new documentary 5 piece that's gonna be 359 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:01,270 released this week yes trying to 360 00:15:05,340 --> 00:15:02,530 remember the it's a five-year 361 00:15:08,850 --> 00:15:05,350 investigation based in this cave in 362 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:08,860 Kentucky and it relates to the Kelly 363 00:15:14,970 --> 00:15:13,090 Hopkinson Hopkinsville case that you 364 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:14,980 know was an inspiration for ET and other 365 00:15:19,020 --> 00:15:17,050 things but that's how it got started 366 00:15:21,930 --> 00:15:19,030 they got contacted by this guy that said 367 00:15:24,570 --> 00:15:21,940 there were weird he thought there are 368 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:24,580 weird creatures living in the cave and 369 00:15:30,750 --> 00:15:26,290 so that comes out this week and it's 370 00:15:33,270 --> 00:15:30,760 free to watch online now now I'm like 371 00:15:35,910 --> 00:15:33,280 rushing to try to find out where yes 372 00:15:38,090 --> 00:15:35,920 fine I believe it's Helier calm right 373 00:15:40,950 --> 00:15:38,100 hell you're calm yes I think that's it 374 00:15:43,230 --> 00:15:40,960 but you can watch it there but you can 375 00:15:45,750 --> 00:15:43,240 also watch it on various video on-demand 376 00:15:48,540 --> 00:15:45,760 sites I forget them all but it seems 377 00:15:49,620 --> 00:15:48,550 like it's easily accessible for anybody 378 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:49,630 to watch and they're putting it all out 379 00:15:53,030 --> 00:15:51,610 at the same time production value on 380 00:15:55,490 --> 00:15:53,040 that looks really cool if 381 00:15:58,640 --> 00:15:55,500 a fan of paranormal investigations fan 382 00:16:00,500 --> 00:15:58,650 of Kelly Hopkinsville goblin UFO case 383 00:16:03,050 --> 00:16:00,510 this is going to be something you want 384 00:16:05,870 --> 00:16:03,060 to check out absolutely all episodes On 385 00:16:09,290 --> 00:16:05,880 January 18th it looks cool okay now you 386 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:09,300 can continue all right well again 387 00:16:14,210 --> 00:16:10,770 there'll be plenty of shows coming out 388 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:14,220 and we'll certainly discuss those as we 389 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:16,890 hear about them excited to see what 390 00:16:21,820 --> 00:16:19,890 happens with Ryan's show on a CW and 391 00:16:25,070 --> 00:16:21,830 Project Blue Book that's just gonna be a 392 00:16:28,940 --> 00:16:25,080 sort of a storm that continues all year 393 00:16:31,430 --> 00:16:28,950 long I'm excited to see what that does 394 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:31,440 in terms of other programming public 395 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:34,890 interest in UFOs etc so that sort of 396 00:16:40,190 --> 00:16:37,130 lets me roll into talking about 397 00:16:43,340 --> 00:16:40,200 conferences and events coming up in 2019 398 00:16:46,370 --> 00:16:43,350 that we're excited about and think that 399 00:16:49,100 --> 00:16:46,380 should get some special attention and I 400 00:16:50,660 --> 00:16:49,110 guess I'll mention alien con first 401 00:16:55,190 --> 00:16:50,670 because we just talked about project 402 00:16:56,660 --> 00:16:55,200 Bluebook alien con is rolling into its I 403 00:17:00,940 --> 00:16:56,670 think fourth year I don't remember 404 00:17:04,250 --> 00:17:00,950 exactly but alien con is essentially a 405 00:17:06,530 --> 00:17:04,260 large ancient aliens fan fest it's put 406 00:17:10,090 --> 00:17:06,540 on by the people the creators of ancient 407 00:17:12,740 --> 00:17:10,100 aliens and it is just a ginormous 408 00:17:17,210 --> 00:17:12,750 convention that takes over an entire 409 00:17:20,780 --> 00:17:17,220 convention center it's huge I spoke at 410 00:17:22,460 --> 00:17:20,790 it when it was in Baltimore recently and 411 00:17:24,980 --> 00:17:22,470 the next one is going to be in Los 412 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:24,990 Angeles that takes place on June 21st 413 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:29,250 through the 23rd and in Baltimore 414 00:17:33,020 --> 00:17:31,290 project Bluebook had a huge presence 415 00:17:34,970 --> 00:17:33,030 again because this is History Channel 416 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:34,980 Annie they were putting tons of money 417 00:17:39,350 --> 00:17:37,050 into it the people behind the show were 418 00:17:41,810 --> 00:17:39,360 there doing panels talking about the 419 00:17:44,810 --> 00:17:41,820 show Paul Hynek was there talking about 420 00:17:49,190 --> 00:17:44,820 life growing up with his dad Jalen hi 421 00:17:51,620 --> 00:17:49,200 Nick this UFO scientists so I can only 422 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:51,630 guess that after the show has been 423 00:17:56,300 --> 00:17:53,730 launched it's going to still have and 424 00:17:59,120 --> 00:17:56,310 perhaps have a larger presence at alien 425 00:18:02,810 --> 00:17:59,130 Con in Los Angeles I'll be there again 426 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:02,820 this year I would venture to say several 427 00:18:05,670 --> 00:18:04,890 of the rogue planet ears will be there 428 00:18:08,310 --> 00:18:05,680 as well 429 00:18:12,270 --> 00:18:08,320 so all the information for a lien con is 430 00:18:14,130 --> 00:18:12,280 that the alien con-com I need to drag 431 00:18:17,010 --> 00:18:14,140 you both to alien con this year guys 432 00:18:20,670 --> 00:18:17,020 yeah I'm I have it on my calendar I'm 433 00:18:22,620 --> 00:18:20,680 planning to attend hopefully so penciled 434 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:22,630 in for me too I didn't know what to 435 00:18:28,340 --> 00:18:25,330 expect from it right because again this 436 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:28,350 is completely different from a typical 437 00:18:33,570 --> 00:18:31,690 UFO conference UFO conferences are 438 00:18:35,490 --> 00:18:33,580 largely academic you go and listen to 439 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:35,500 lecture after lecture after lecture and 440 00:18:38,670 --> 00:18:37,210 that's what it is and it there might be 441 00:18:42,410 --> 00:18:38,680 a vendor room where people are selling 442 00:18:45,420 --> 00:18:42,420 books and things like that but alien con 443 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:45,430 its premise is focused on one single 444 00:18:51,210 --> 00:18:48,850 show I couldn't believe how many people 445 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:51,220 turnout for this thing and you realize 446 00:18:56,940 --> 00:18:54,250 what a large impact ancient aliens as a 447 00:19:00,210 --> 00:18:56,950 show has on popular culture and the 448 00:19:03,090 --> 00:19:00,220 mainstream public just tens of thousands 449 00:19:04,740 --> 00:19:03,100 of people they're passionate about this 450 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:04,750 show this is their introduction to the 451 00:19:10,650 --> 00:19:06,730 UFO topic and these are people who 452 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:10,660 aren't necessarily in the UFO community 453 00:19:16,380 --> 00:19:13,570 in any capacity they're their viewers of 454 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:16,390 the show they're very passionate about 455 00:19:21,630 --> 00:19:19,570 the subject but they don't go out to 456 00:19:24,870 --> 00:19:21,640 conferences they don't necessarily do 457 00:19:27,120 --> 00:19:24,880 any research but they like the topic and 458 00:19:29,730 --> 00:19:27,130 in many cases they've had personal 459 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:29,740 experiences and they want to explore 460 00:19:35,220 --> 00:19:32,770 this topic further so this audience was 461 00:19:37,380 --> 00:19:35,230 was really exciting to be around because 462 00:19:39,930 --> 00:19:37,390 they were excited to be there in a place 463 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:39,940 where they could discuss the topic of 464 00:19:45,300 --> 00:19:42,730 UFOs in sort of a safe space right 465 00:19:48,120 --> 00:19:45,310 because we still have the the stigma 466 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:48,130 associated with UFOs to deal with and 467 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:50,290 these people especially feel it because 468 00:19:54,990 --> 00:19:51,850 it's new to them they haven't talked 469 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:55,000 about UFOs to anybody in their personal 470 00:20:00,120 --> 00:19:57,010 lives so being able to come to alien con 471 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:00,130 was like their introduction to realizing 472 00:20:04,350 --> 00:20:02,290 this is a topic that yes you can talk to 473 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:04,360 people about it's okay but they felt it 474 00:20:09,150 --> 00:20:06,010 was their safe space so it was like this 475 00:20:12,060 --> 00:20:09,160 this party weekend party where they 476 00:20:13,950 --> 00:20:12,070 could just celebrate their their UFO 477 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:13,960 nerdiness and it was really fun to see 478 00:20:19,260 --> 00:20:15,730 you I think that's that's kind of the 479 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:19,270 feeling we get when we speak at calm 480 00:20:23,820 --> 00:20:20,770 conventions and people don't really 481 00:20:25,890 --> 00:20:23,830 understand like why we're doing that 482 00:20:27,780 --> 00:20:25,900 sometimes we've we've had questions and 483 00:20:30,030 --> 00:20:27,790 you know what the panels at the 484 00:20:31,980 --> 00:20:30,040 comic-con that people are generally or 485 00:20:33,570 --> 00:20:31,990 you know like actually interested in the 486 00:20:35,610 --> 00:20:33,580 subject and they're not the people you 487 00:20:37,830 --> 00:20:35,620 normally see coming to UFO conferences 488 00:20:39,990 --> 00:20:37,840 but they're super excited to learn and 489 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:40,000 they're excited to share their 490 00:20:45,870 --> 00:20:42,850 experiences and I I have more fun 491 00:20:48,510 --> 00:20:45,880 talking at those events than at events 492 00:20:51,930 --> 00:20:48,520 where people know everything allegedly 493 00:20:53,100 --> 00:20:51,940 already and you know aren't aren't 494 00:20:54,810 --> 00:20:53,110 intrigued and they already have their 495 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:54,820 mind set and they want to be like no 496 00:21:01,920 --> 00:20:56,650 you're you're incorrect I want to throw 497 00:21:05,310 --> 00:21:01,930 my opinion on this and we saw that at 498 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:05,320 the UFO Congress many times people will 499 00:21:10,190 --> 00:21:07,570 get upset if it's not the the view they 500 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:10,200 want projected by a certain speaker when 501 00:21:15,090 --> 00:21:12,730 other places they're they're eager to 502 00:21:18,060 --> 00:21:15,100 hear what you have to say and go study 503 00:21:20,220 --> 00:21:18,070 more about it yeah yeah yeah it's 504 00:21:22,830 --> 00:21:20,230 awesome I didn't I didn't know what to 505 00:21:25,140 --> 00:21:22,840 expect with it I haven't attended it yet 506 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:25,150 I definitely plan on doing so but it 507 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:26,410 kind of reminds me a little bit of the 508 00:21:33,900 --> 00:21:28,650 difference too like when we went to the 509 00:21:37,410 --> 00:21:33,910 Roswell fest last July and it was a 510 00:21:39,450 --> 00:21:37,420 whole different dynamic inside - you 511 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:39,460 know ufology that you know I wasn't 512 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:41,290 exposed to because I've just attended 513 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:43,450 the conferences and guys really 514 00:21:47,820 --> 00:21:45,610 described well what the look and feel of 515 00:21:49,650 --> 00:21:47,830 that is but when you go to something 516 00:21:53,370 --> 00:21:49,660 that's more of a festival which I think 517 00:21:58,580 --> 00:21:53,380 alien con is is more like it's just a 518 00:22:00,810 --> 00:21:58,590 whole bunch of fun freer you know 519 00:22:03,270 --> 00:22:00,820 experiences that that are so different 520 00:22:05,010 --> 00:22:03,280 that you know really place to the fun 521 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:05,020 side of the topic because the topic is 522 00:22:09,870 --> 00:22:07,330 fun but sometimes in the conference's 523 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:09,880 it's a little more you know serious and 524 00:22:15,360 --> 00:22:11,850 for all the reasons you mentioned I'm 525 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:15,370 marine so I I don't know I I'm really 526 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:16,810 looking forward to it just that whole 527 00:22:22,650 --> 00:22:19,570 different feeling vibe and I'm sure it's 528 00:22:26,490 --> 00:22:22,660 gonna be a fun experience yeah I I do 529 00:22:30,090 --> 00:22:26,500 encourage it or endorse it for anybody 530 00:22:31,859 --> 00:22:30,100 who is interested in UFOs and you know 531 00:22:35,609 --> 00:22:31,869 either looking for just 532 00:22:39,060 --> 00:22:35,619 easy event to go to that's not you know 533 00:22:40,589 --> 00:22:39,070 heavy on research or you know stuffy or 534 00:22:43,529 --> 00:22:40,599 anyplace here you feel like you're gonna 535 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:43,539 be judged for not being a level twelve 536 00:22:47,940 --> 00:22:46,090 ufologist or anything like that so what 537 00:22:49,799 --> 00:22:47,950 is a level twelve ufologist I don't 538 00:22:54,029 --> 00:22:49,809 think anybody wants to know yeah I 539 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:54,039 certainly don't want to know that's cool 540 00:22:59,549 --> 00:22:55,330 but also sounds like it might be kind of 541 00:23:00,989 --> 00:22:59,559 a douche bag so yeah so III think it's 542 00:23:02,399 --> 00:23:00,999 great and they're doing it's such a 543 00:23:05,039 --> 00:23:02,409 great job with bringing in more people 544 00:23:07,619 --> 00:23:05,049 more speakers really bumping up their 545 00:23:10,139 --> 00:23:07,629 programming their programming is just so 546 00:23:11,579 --> 00:23:10,149 it's it's incredible how much there is 547 00:23:13,079 --> 00:23:11,589 they have room after room after room 548 00:23:15,839 --> 00:23:13,089 filled with programming running at the 549 00:23:17,639 --> 00:23:15,849 same time the problem there is you 550 00:23:19,289 --> 00:23:17,649 really have to map out your day because 551 00:23:21,269 --> 00:23:19,299 you're going to have to miss something 552 00:23:23,639 --> 00:23:21,279 that you really want to see because all 553 00:23:26,159 --> 00:23:23,649 this stuff is running concurrently so 554 00:23:29,279 --> 00:23:26,169 you know somebody's speaking in one room 555 00:23:31,139 --> 00:23:29,289 and there are five other rooms going on 556 00:23:33,419 --> 00:23:31,149 at the same time so you really have to 557 00:23:35,820 --> 00:23:33,429 map out your favorite talks that you 558 00:23:39,299 --> 00:23:35,830 want to see and go to those but I was 559 00:23:41,190 --> 00:23:39,309 really surprised at a mainstream you 560 00:23:45,599 --> 00:23:41,200 know pop culture event like alien Cohn 561 00:23:48,389 --> 00:23:45,609 to see how popular the experiencer 562 00:23:50,639 --> 00:23:48,399 sessions were so Ryan Sprague actually 563 00:23:51,959 --> 00:23:50,649 led an experiencer session and for those 564 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:51,969 of you who don't know this is something 565 00:23:59,969 --> 00:23:54,369 that we did a lot at the UFO Congress 566 00:24:01,950 --> 00:23:59,979 and you know it's it's where people have 567 00:24:03,869 --> 00:24:01,960 an opportunity to come in a room 568 00:24:06,180 --> 00:24:03,879 together and share their personal 569 00:24:08,969 --> 00:24:06,190 experiences or just listen if they feel 570 00:24:10,979 --> 00:24:08,979 that you know they've had a UFO sighting 571 00:24:12,209 --> 00:24:10,989 or they believe that they've had contact 572 00:24:13,769 --> 00:24:12,219 with extraterrestrials or things like 573 00:24:15,060 --> 00:24:13,779 that so they come and basically share 574 00:24:16,799 --> 00:24:15,070 their story and everybody sits around 575 00:24:20,549 --> 00:24:16,809 and listens to it sort of like a support 576 00:24:23,159 --> 00:24:20,559 group basically this was you know in a 577 00:24:25,349 --> 00:24:23,169 medium sized room there at alien con but 578 00:24:27,180 --> 00:24:25,359 it filled up man it was it was packed I 579 00:24:29,639 --> 00:24:27,190 didn't didn't expect you know this crowd 580 00:24:31,469 --> 00:24:29,649 to come and be interested in that type 581 00:24:34,139 --> 00:24:31,479 of thing but they really were and Ryan 582 00:24:35,940 --> 00:24:34,149 did a great job leading that and and 583 00:24:37,889 --> 00:24:35,950 encouraging people to share stories and 584 00:24:40,049 --> 00:24:37,899 it was really cool to see and I heard 585 00:24:42,089 --> 00:24:40,059 disappointment from people that there 586 00:24:43,810 --> 00:24:42,099 weren't more of those sessions running 587 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:43,820 throughout the weekend 588 00:24:49,330 --> 00:24:46,250 that totally blew me away because that's 589 00:24:52,900 --> 00:24:49,340 not what I was expecting from the you 590 00:24:55,260 --> 00:24:52,910 know entertainment convention crowd sure 591 00:24:58,990 --> 00:24:55,270 looks like for anybody that's interested 592 00:25:00,880 --> 00:24:59,000 the regular 3-day pass is now a hundred 593 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:00,890 and twenty four dollars so for three 594 00:25:04,020 --> 00:25:01,850 days 595 00:25:07,570 --> 00:25:04,030 of a lot of programming that's not 596 00:25:09,100 --> 00:25:07,580 unexpected or overly high that's 597 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:09,110 actually a pretty fair ticket price I 598 00:25:14,020 --> 00:25:11,570 think absolutely and again these things 599 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:14,030 you know there's gonna be tons of fun 600 00:25:19,540 --> 00:25:16,810 stuff to see it's just a fun atmosphere 601 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:19,550 there's a big big vendor hall lots of 602 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:21,650 stuff to see there will be celebrities 603 00:25:26,470 --> 00:25:23,210 there they do have celebrities on the 604 00:25:28,990 --> 00:25:26,480 programming and being in LA in our 605 00:25:33,420 --> 00:25:29,000 experience UFO related events that 606 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:33,430 happen in or around LA draw celebrity 607 00:25:38,590 --> 00:25:36,770 METEC because there are so many people 608 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:38,600 including celebrities interested in this 609 00:25:42,700 --> 00:25:40,730 topic so the fact that it's gonna be in 610 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:42,710 LA I suspect there will be lots of 611 00:25:47,620 --> 00:25:45,410 celebrity types just in attendance as 612 00:25:49,900 --> 00:25:47,630 well so you can do some some Star 613 00:25:51,790 --> 00:25:49,910 sighting if you're interested in that 614 00:25:52,990 --> 00:25:51,800 but they have photo ops and stuff you 615 00:25:54,850 --> 00:25:53,000 can take pictures of people get 616 00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:54,860 autographs that type of thing so that's 617 00:26:00,010 --> 00:25:58,010 cool but yeah there's again these things 618 00:26:01,870 --> 00:26:00,020 are social the thing is hanging out with 619 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:01,880 people like-minded people talking about 620 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:04,490 this topic and going across the street 621 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:05,570 wherever that may be 622 00:26:09,610 --> 00:26:07,250 if the Convention Center doesn't have 623 00:26:12,490 --> 00:26:09,620 its own bar and coming and hanging out 624 00:26:18,150 --> 00:26:12,500 with your fellow rogue planet ears here 625 00:26:22,360 --> 00:26:20,380 no that's that's where the good 626 00:26:23,620 --> 00:26:22,370 conversation happens yeah that's 627 00:26:24,790 --> 00:26:23,630 certainly what Ryan and I were doing in 628 00:26:27,310 --> 00:26:24,800 Baltimore so we had some great 629 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:27,320 conversations there so well 630 00:26:34,690 --> 00:26:30,170 Maureen you brought up Comic Cons I know 631 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:34,700 so that's coming up so Jason and I the 632 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:36,770 first year ever you know we've we've 633 00:26:40,510 --> 00:26:38,210 spoke at Denver for the last four years 634 00:26:42,610 --> 00:26:40,520 we are going to be speaking at Emerald 635 00:26:44,590 --> 00:26:42,620 City Comic Con in my home city of 636 00:26:47,260 --> 00:26:44,600 Seattle so super excited about that 637 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:47,270 we're doing the panel on real-life 638 00:26:52,300 --> 00:26:49,810 x-files of strange stories from 639 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:52,310 government paranormal investigations and 640 00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:55,450 stories of our own investigations so 641 00:26:58,880 --> 00:26:57,090 super psyched 642 00:27:03,080 --> 00:26:58,890 that I've never spoken in Seattle before 643 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:03,090 so excited to see what sort of crowd 644 00:27:07,970 --> 00:27:05,730 comes to the hive no idea it could be 645 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:07,980 small it could be large but yeah we're 646 00:27:14,510 --> 00:27:10,050 speaking on Friday 647 00:27:16,610 --> 00:27:14,520 I think it's March 17th at 6:30 p.m. so 648 00:27:19,070 --> 00:27:16,620 anybody in the area I think it's the 649 00:27:20,990 --> 00:27:19,080 15th is it ok never mind I think it's 650 00:27:23,030 --> 00:27:21,000 the 15th I think the event runs the 14th 651 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:23,040 through the 17th and 15th is a Friday 652 00:27:28,220 --> 00:27:25,530 but whatever that Friday is that's when 653 00:27:35,180 --> 00:27:28,230 we're speaking yeah and and Jason's wife 654 00:27:37,220 --> 00:27:35,190 is is going to be the moderator but all 655 00:27:40,220 --> 00:27:37,230 the information for Emerald City Comicon 656 00:27:42,710 --> 00:27:40,230 is at Emerald City Comicon calm and 657 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:42,720 we'll have more more details as we get 658 00:27:46,250 --> 00:27:44,850 closer to the event excited for that 659 00:27:47,810 --> 00:27:46,260 morning that's gonna be fun I'm so glad 660 00:27:49,460 --> 00:27:47,820 this is your first time speaking in 661 00:27:52,370 --> 00:27:49,470 Seattle that's gonna be a fun experience 662 00:27:54,290 --> 00:27:52,380 to have with you yeah we'll see we'll 663 00:27:56,860 --> 00:27:54,300 see how it goes and I'm like I know a 664 00:27:59,750 --> 00:27:56,870 few people that are already attending 665 00:28:01,910 --> 00:27:59,760 comic-con that I've told them to show up 666 00:28:04,820 --> 00:28:01,920 to the panel but speaking in front of 667 00:28:06,410 --> 00:28:04,830 people you know - it's a little it sure 668 00:28:08,300 --> 00:28:06,420 is I mean I just had to speak in front 669 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:08,310 of Shane and that was really 670 00:28:16,430 --> 00:28:12,930 uncomfortable I could feel your judging 671 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:16,440 eyes just like steering shake in the 672 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:18,570 back row Marina I was jumping up and 673 00:28:24,710 --> 00:28:21,210 down and bleeding cheers and there Jason 674 00:28:27,020 --> 00:28:24,720 go Jason Jason I did all that are you 675 00:28:35,300 --> 00:28:27,030 wearing it like a Jason shirt or a no no 676 00:28:37,130 --> 00:28:35,310 podcaster it's just painted feel free to 677 00:28:39,710 --> 00:28:37,140 fly to Seattle and do similar 678 00:28:43,190 --> 00:28:39,720 cheerleading at our comic-con panel 679 00:28:45,110 --> 00:28:43,200 okay I'll pencil that in - Dan you were 680 00:28:45,650 --> 00:28:45,120 a great cheerleader I appreciate your 681 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:45,660 support 682 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:47,850 well another event that I have to 683 00:28:52,070 --> 00:28:50,010 mention because Shane and I are both in 684 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:52,080 Phoenix and that's the International UFO 685 00:28:57,530 --> 00:28:55,650 Congress now it's gonna be I don't know 686 00:29:00,170 --> 00:28:57,540 about you guys but I am very very 687 00:29:02,270 --> 00:29:00,180 curious to see the Congress this year 688 00:29:05,190 --> 00:29:02,280 because it's going to be like a brand 689 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:05,200 new conference in my opinion because 690 00:29:10,350 --> 00:29:08,290 the conference is moving not only in the 691 00:29:12,660 --> 00:29:10,360 time of year as taking place but also 692 00:29:15,390 --> 00:29:12,670 physical locations it's always happened 693 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:15,400 in February and this year it's happening 694 00:29:19,650 --> 00:29:18,010 in September all the way in September 695 00:29:22,890 --> 00:29:19,660 it runs from September 4th through the 696 00:29:25,890 --> 00:29:22,900 8th in Phoenix in downtown Phoenix 697 00:29:27,540 --> 00:29:25,900 Conference has moved from way far 698 00:29:28,230 --> 00:29:27,550 removed from Phoenix out in the middle 699 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:28,240 of nowhere 700 00:29:33,660 --> 00:29:30,850 to downtown Phoenix it's gonna be at the 701 00:29:36,870 --> 00:29:33,670 Sheraton downtown that's just gonna be 702 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:36,880 an interesting vibe I think I don't know 703 00:29:41,220 --> 00:29:39,610 Shane what do you think yeah it's I 704 00:29:43,410 --> 00:29:41,230 think it's gonna be very different I 705 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:43,420 mean where it was held before it's you 706 00:29:48,450 --> 00:29:45,970 know come out in the desert and it's you 707 00:29:51,060 --> 00:29:48,460 know got the the Native American vibe 708 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:51,070 and it's cool and relaxed and all that 709 00:29:55,770 --> 00:29:53,530 and now it's gonna be in the heart of 710 00:29:57,900 --> 00:29:55,780 downtown and that that hotel is a 711 00:30:00,420 --> 00:29:57,910 beautiful hotel it's very you know 712 00:30:02,610 --> 00:30:00,430 trendy and yeah the whole vibes gonna 713 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:02,620 change I think but I'm really looking 714 00:30:05,700 --> 00:30:04,450 forward to it too I you know it'll be 715 00:30:09,060 --> 00:30:05,710 bigger they'll be able to accomplish 716 00:30:11,370 --> 00:30:09,070 more I think and that's good for the eye 717 00:30:12,900 --> 00:30:11,380 ufoc certainly and I'll be just 718 00:30:15,900 --> 00:30:12,910 interesting to see what it does to the 719 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:15,910 to the crowd and who comes and you know 720 00:30:21,540 --> 00:30:18,010 just how how it flows you know because 721 00:30:23,850 --> 00:30:21,550 it's where where it was was you know the 722 00:30:26,700 --> 00:30:23,860 the environment really had a big affect 723 00:30:29,570 --> 00:30:26,710 on it so we'll see how it goes here yeah 724 00:30:32,130 --> 00:30:29,580 I'm wondering if they're going to do a 725 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:32,140 separate night walk sky watch where they 726 00:30:37,170 --> 00:30:33,730 go because they're not gonna see 727 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:37,180 anything in downtown Phoenix so they 728 00:30:41,610 --> 00:30:40,090 maybe they have scheduled a little 729 00:30:44,490 --> 00:30:41,620 excursion or something and who knows 730 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:44,500 it'll be interesting yes because I mean 731 00:30:48,870 --> 00:30:46,690 in the past most people know Jason and I 732 00:30:52,020 --> 00:30:48,880 were two of the main organizers of the 733 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:52,030 conference for upwards of what eight 734 00:30:57,870 --> 00:30:54,610 years or so Jason I don't know anyways 735 00:30:59,670 --> 00:30:57,880 something like oh yeah and every year 736 00:31:02,090 --> 00:30:59,680 people would come up to me and again 737 00:31:04,910 --> 00:31:02,100 they're trying to grow so this is not 738 00:31:08,130 --> 00:31:04,920 necessarily something that they should 739 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:08,140 you know but they're plans around but a 740 00:31:10,740 --> 00:31:09,610 lot of people we're like please don't 741 00:31:12,030 --> 00:31:10,750 move the conference please don't move 742 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:12,040 the conference please don't move the 743 00:31:16,770 --> 00:31:15,130 conference because we for a while we 744 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:16,780 were pushing to move it to Vegas right 745 00:31:21,690 --> 00:31:19,090 but yeah a lot of people you 746 00:31:24,060 --> 00:31:21,700 as their vacation every year and come 747 00:31:26,790 --> 00:31:24,070 out to the desert so now it'll be 748 00:31:29,910 --> 00:31:26,800 interesting to see how that develops and 749 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:29,920 maybe they'll be able to diversify the 750 00:31:34,890 --> 00:31:33,250 crowd a lot from just not only the the 751 00:31:37,980 --> 00:31:34,900 diehard people that have been coming for 752 00:31:41,970 --> 00:31:37,990 1516 years but the or 20 years however 753 00:31:44,130 --> 00:31:41,980 long but but newer generations and 754 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:44,140 people they just want to pop in from 755 00:31:48,390 --> 00:31:46,090 downtown Phoenix absolutely it makes it 756 00:31:50,370 --> 00:31:48,400 so much more accessible it's easier to 757 00:31:52,950 --> 00:31:50,380 get to you I mean and even for me like 758 00:31:54,690 --> 00:31:52,960 being in Phoenix it was a pain in the 759 00:31:56,460 --> 00:31:54,700 ass tried not to fill in Hills to go to 760 00:31:59,070 --> 00:31:56,470 the conference you know whereas this is 761 00:32:00,630 --> 00:31:59,080 right in downtown Phoenix there's so 762 00:32:03,180 --> 00:32:00,640 much stuff around tons of great 763 00:32:04,380 --> 00:32:03,190 restaurants great bars again pop across 764 00:32:06,660 --> 00:32:04,390 the street and you'll find me and Shane 765 00:32:10,140 --> 00:32:06,670 it that in any number of bars come talk 766 00:32:12,330 --> 00:32:10,150 UFOs with us but yeah I mean that's huge 767 00:32:14,940 --> 00:32:12,340 it's really easy to get to and from the 768 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:14,950 airport so I think it's it's huge for 769 00:32:20,190 --> 00:32:18,370 all of those reasons but yeah you bring 770 00:32:22,410 --> 00:32:20,200 up a good point with a Sky Watch I'm 771 00:32:24,540 --> 00:32:22,420 sure no shuttle people out for that I 772 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:24,550 guess that's easier doing group shuttle 773 00:32:29,250 --> 00:32:27,610 away instead of you know having every 774 00:32:33,510 --> 00:32:29,260 single attendee shuttle from the airport 775 00:32:36,540 --> 00:32:33,520 to even get to the event itself yeah but 776 00:32:40,020 --> 00:32:36,550 you know you mentioned the the fear 777 00:32:42,870 --> 00:32:40,030 certainly of moving the conference from 778 00:32:46,140 --> 00:32:42,880 its established location but you and I 779 00:32:49,050 --> 00:32:46,150 morning heard that so much when we first 780 00:32:51,150 --> 00:32:49,060 moved at the conference when open minds 781 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:51,160 acquired it and we moved it from its 782 00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:53,530 home in Laughlin Nevada to Phoenix 783 00:33:00,600 --> 00:32:57,610 Arizona and there was so many people 784 00:33:02,060 --> 00:33:00,610 pleading with us to not move it because 785 00:33:06,210 --> 00:33:02,070 they were used to it being in Laughlin 786 00:33:07,590 --> 00:33:06,220 however one year after moving it we more 787 00:33:11,310 --> 00:33:07,600 than doubled the attendance of the 788 00:33:13,170 --> 00:33:11,320 conference and shortly after that you 789 00:33:15,540 --> 00:33:13,180 know that's when we got the attention of 790 00:33:17,970 --> 00:33:15,550 Guinness World Records as establishing 791 00:33:21,150 --> 00:33:17,980 the largest annual UFO conference in the 792 00:33:23,250 --> 00:33:21,160 world so you know you look at it from a 793 00:33:25,500 --> 00:33:23,260 comfort standpoint from a familiarity 794 00:33:26,820 --> 00:33:25,510 standpoint of people like oh you know 795 00:33:27,830 --> 00:33:26,830 I'm used to it being here I like it 796 00:33:30,409 --> 00:33:27,840 being here 797 00:33:34,940 --> 00:33:30,419 but at the same time you're trying to 798 00:33:36,950 --> 00:33:34,950 balance that with introducing new people 799 00:33:38,930 --> 00:33:36,960 to the event making the event more 800 00:33:40,549 --> 00:33:38,940 accessible to a larger number of people 801 00:33:43,340 --> 00:33:40,559 and I think that's that's the priority 802 00:33:46,789 --> 00:33:43,350 you have to take that being said you 803 00:33:49,700 --> 00:33:46,799 know the the essentially the the old 804 00:33:51,799 --> 00:33:49,710 version of the UFO Congress is back this 805 00:33:56,470 --> 00:33:51,809 year there's an event called what is it 806 00:33:57,769 --> 00:33:56,480 called the mega UFO con or something 807 00:34:00,080 --> 00:33:57,779 first 808 00:34:02,180 --> 00:34:00,090 what's that is that really what they're 809 00:34:04,190 --> 00:34:02,190 calling it absolutely and it's it's run 810 00:34:07,639 --> 00:34:04,200 by Bob Brown the former owner of the UFO 811 00:34:10,310 --> 00:34:07,649 Congress so it's essentially the old 812 00:34:11,839 --> 00:34:10,320 crowd of people who used to be doing the 813 00:34:14,839 --> 00:34:11,849 the International UFO Congress before 814 00:34:16,940 --> 00:34:14,849 open minds acquired it so that vibe is 815 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:16,950 back it's back in Laughlin so people who 816 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:18,810 remember the old days of the of the UFO 817 00:34:24,050 --> 00:34:21,690 Congress will be able to enjoy that in 818 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:24,060 Laughlin back in you know back at the 819 00:34:28,820 --> 00:34:26,490 aquarium back of the Aquarius yeah so 820 00:34:31,250 --> 00:34:28,830 it'll feel feel very similar to anybody 821 00:34:32,780 --> 00:34:31,260 who was there in the old days of the 822 00:34:35,690 --> 00:34:32,790 Congress Maureen and I remember that 823 00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:35,700 well oh yeah we and that was when it was 824 00:34:43,129 --> 00:34:40,169 like nine days nine days long early and 825 00:34:45,500 --> 00:34:43,139 late so yeah Jase and I both as as 826 00:34:47,030 --> 00:34:45,510 vegetarians at the time Jason's Noah 827 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:47,040 yeah holy cow they have a lot of the old 828 00:34:55,030 --> 00:34:49,050 speakers yeah a lot of the old speakers 829 00:34:58,579 --> 00:34:55,040 I was like is this roster from 2009 no 830 00:35:00,410 --> 00:34:58,589 there's not a lot of options for for 831 00:35:04,550 --> 00:35:00,420 eating for us so we both felt really 832 00:35:06,470 --> 00:35:04,560 awful after nine days but hopefully 833 00:35:09,050 --> 00:35:06,480 they've improved their restaurants yeah 834 00:35:11,720 --> 00:35:09,060 right it's funny looking at you know 835 00:35:13,370 --> 00:35:11,730 that event and they really are you know 836 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:13,380 it's it's nostalgic they're going back 837 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:15,930 and recapturing essentially exactly what 838 00:35:22,250 --> 00:35:19,650 the Congress was in Laughlin so the name 839 00:35:26,599 --> 00:35:22,260 is is is perfectly descriptive I think 840 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:26,609 the it is a UFO mega conference but UFO 841 00:35:30,530 --> 00:35:29,490 Megacon to me my initial reaction to 842 00:35:32,510 --> 00:35:30,540 that makes me think that that's 843 00:35:38,940 --> 00:35:32,520 something that Steven Greer would do you 844 00:35:43,020 --> 00:35:38,950 know oh yeah zing Megacon 845 00:35:43,650 --> 00:35:43,030 I'm running at Megacon here megha sir 846 00:35:45,390 --> 00:35:43,660 yeah 847 00:35:46,740 --> 00:35:45,400 nine days would be hard to take of 848 00:35:48,930 --> 00:35:46,750 anything when you think about it 849 00:35:51,150 --> 00:35:48,940 nowadays right our attention spans not 850 00:35:53,220 --> 00:35:51,160 that long I'd have trouble paying 851 00:35:55,859 --> 00:35:53,230 attention for nine days it's probably 852 00:35:57,870 --> 00:35:55,869 wise to trim that back physical it 853 00:36:00,810 --> 00:35:57,880 becomes an issue just your physical 854 00:36:02,990 --> 00:36:00,820 ability to do anything not long when 855 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:03,000 you're essentially living at a hotel 856 00:36:08,310 --> 00:36:05,650 living in a casino unless in a casino 857 00:36:10,609 --> 00:36:08,320 and a Convention Center I mean number 858 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:10,619 one hotels already there air is very dry 859 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:14,970 but you're in Laughlin in a casino and 860 00:36:21,270 --> 00:36:17,890 it was just you know those those casinos 861 00:36:23,099 --> 00:36:21,280 aren't as modern as the casinos in Vegas 862 00:36:26,700 --> 00:36:23,109 they don't have the air purification 863 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:26,710 system where is efficient as the ones in 864 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:28,690 Vegas so it's just a cloud of smoke all 865 00:36:33,720 --> 00:36:31,210 the time so you're just like living in a 866 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:33,730 thick cloud of smoke for nine days in 867 00:36:39,030 --> 00:36:36,970 dry air it just I don't know it took me 868 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:39,040 probably a month or two to get all that 869 00:36:43,410 --> 00:36:41,530 crap out of my lungs no no the function 870 00:36:45,990 --> 00:36:43,420 again and not to mention we were smoking 871 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:46,000 cigars and drinking Bloody Mary's 872 00:36:49,859 --> 00:36:47,770 non-stop at the hotel bar 873 00:36:51,690 --> 00:36:49,869 oh yeah the hotel and a casino to boot 874 00:36:55,220 --> 00:36:51,700 so you're getting free drinks and yeah 875 00:36:57,960 --> 00:36:55,230 no that's that's not good for nine days 876 00:37:04,020 --> 00:36:57,970 when I go to Vegas I go for two days and 877 00:37:07,079 --> 00:37:04,030 I'm done so so another event that's 878 00:37:10,589 --> 00:37:07,089 coming up not too crazy far away is the 879 00:37:13,290 --> 00:37:10,599 close to me they McMinnville yes so fast 880 00:37:14,670 --> 00:37:13,300 I'm so glad you brought that up I want 881 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:14,680 to try to attend this year last year I 882 00:37:19,950 --> 00:37:17,050 couldn't in Jeremy Korbel and George 883 00:37:21,780 --> 00:37:19,960 Knapp are both speaking so they haven't 884 00:37:25,079 --> 00:37:21,790 announced who's speaking yet but it's I 885 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:25,089 think it's mid May and May 14th maybe I 886 00:37:28,559 --> 00:37:26,770 don't know let me look I believe that 887 00:37:30,420 --> 00:37:28,569 Iraq yeah you look it up but I I would 888 00:37:33,270 --> 00:37:30,430 encourage people to check out this year 889 00:37:35,430 --> 00:37:33,280 because I wouldn't be surprised if you 890 00:37:38,609 --> 00:37:35,440 might happen to see Jeremy and/or George 891 00:37:40,740 --> 00:37:38,619 again this year yeah just say yeah it's 892 00:37:43,589 --> 00:37:40,750 it's May 16th through the 18th so I 893 00:37:45,780 --> 00:37:43,599 think you know it's it's not a crazy 894 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:45,790 Drive for me so I might I might go down 895 00:37:49,740 --> 00:37:47,770 this year and to your point Shane I mean 896 00:37:51,870 --> 00:37:49,750 this this is a lot like Roswell you know 897 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:51,880 so for anybody who likes that kind of AD 898 00:37:56,700 --> 00:37:53,890 fear this is this is a festival right 899 00:37:57,720 --> 00:37:56,710 it's not this serious academic thing 900 00:37:58,799 --> 00:37:57,730 where you're sitting down and listening 901 00:38:02,460 --> 00:37:58,809 to lectures I mean they do have 902 00:38:05,309 --> 00:38:02,470 presentations but it is a celebration a 903 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:05,319 town festival so it really has that fun 904 00:38:09,809 --> 00:38:07,930 atmosphere yeah it's only three and a 905 00:38:10,289 --> 00:38:09,819 half hours I think I just have to do 906 00:38:15,450 --> 00:38:10,299 that 907 00:38:18,329 --> 00:38:15,460 this one is bass is it um 908 00:38:21,089 --> 00:38:18,339 was it the Paul Trent photos so ever 909 00:38:23,370 --> 00:38:21,099 incorrect nearby and this stems from 910 00:38:27,870 --> 00:38:23,380 that okay yeah that'd be an interesting 911 00:38:30,089 --> 00:38:27,880 one to go to absolutely the Trent photos 912 00:38:33,690 --> 00:38:30,099 are obviously a very highly 913 00:38:35,130 --> 00:38:33,700 controversial case as well people 914 00:38:37,829 --> 00:38:35,140 haven't heard about it definitely look 915 00:38:39,690 --> 00:38:37,839 it up basically trying to figure out 916 00:38:42,630 --> 00:38:39,700 whether this guy hoax these photos or 917 00:38:44,609 --> 00:38:42,640 not and they are you can probably find 918 00:38:47,490 --> 00:38:44,619 them pretty easily online just Google 919 00:38:55,140 --> 00:38:47,500 Trent photos and look into it and 920 00:38:58,799 --> 00:38:55,150 there's been I believe didn't Bruce 921 00:39:00,630 --> 00:38:58,809 Maccabee your own analysis on yeah so so 922 00:39:03,839 --> 00:39:00,640 go check them out and you can look at 923 00:39:06,210 --> 00:39:03,849 all the analysis that he did and decide 924 00:39:10,740 --> 00:39:06,220 on what you think personally or my own 925 00:39:12,539 --> 00:39:10,750 opinion yeah say what I think well there 926 00:39:14,940 --> 00:39:12,549 at least I'd have to say pretty iconic 927 00:39:17,849 --> 00:39:14,950 photos right when you look at you know 928 00:39:19,650 --> 00:39:17,859 you you have ufology you know those are 929 00:39:21,720 --> 00:39:19,660 some of the ones that pop up right away 930 00:39:24,660 --> 00:39:21,730 aren't they considered like some of the 931 00:39:27,839 --> 00:39:24,670 first UFO photos let me meet you first 932 00:39:30,749 --> 00:39:27,849 UFO photo yeah and this was this was 933 00:39:33,660 --> 00:39:30,759 there from the 1950 1950 I think so yeah 934 00:39:36,509 --> 00:39:33,670 was 1950 yeah yeah you can go to brew 935 00:39:38,819 --> 00:39:36,519 mac.com Bruce Maccabee site and he's got 936 00:39:39,980 --> 00:39:38,829 just you know tons of excellent data on 937 00:39:42,420 --> 00:39:39,990 it right 938 00:39:44,460 --> 00:39:42,430 alright let's talk about books guys 939 00:39:47,999 --> 00:39:44,470 because there are always UFO books 940 00:39:50,279 --> 00:39:48,009 coming out and this one I want to say 941 00:39:54,150 --> 00:39:50,289 caught me off guard but at the same time 942 00:39:55,890 --> 00:39:54,160 didn't because I've been looking forward 943 00:39:57,900 --> 00:39:55,900 to a book from this guy for a long time 944 00:40:00,380 --> 00:39:57,910 and that's John Greenwald John Greenwald 945 00:40:05,269 --> 00:40:00,390 has been 946 00:40:08,990 --> 00:40:05,279 ankles deep in ufo-related research for 947 00:40:11,329 --> 00:40:09,000 a very long time and file specifically 948 00:40:14,450 --> 00:40:11,339 military files obtained through the 949 00:40:16,759 --> 00:40:14,460 Freedom of Information Act and John 950 00:40:18,349 --> 00:40:16,769 finally announced not too long ago that 951 00:40:20,299 --> 00:40:18,359 he's got a book coming out it's called 952 00:40:23,420 --> 00:40:20,309 inside the black vault the government's 953 00:40:26,150 --> 00:40:23,430 UFO Secrets Revealed and the reason I'm 954 00:40:29,450 --> 00:40:26,160 so excited about this is because again 955 00:40:31,609 --> 00:40:29,460 I'm a primarily an evidence guy I like 956 00:40:34,279 --> 00:40:31,619 being able to and a journalist so I like 957 00:40:37,190 --> 00:40:34,289 being able to cite two sources and see 958 00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:37,200 where claims are being made and what 959 00:40:43,940 --> 00:40:39,410 John does through Freedom of Information 960 00:40:46,519 --> 00:40:43,950 requests is get actual documentation now 961 00:40:48,980 --> 00:40:46,529 we can debate whether or not the 962 00:40:51,829 --> 00:40:48,990 information in that documentation is 963 00:40:55,220 --> 00:40:51,839 valid if it's true if it's a hoax if 964 00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:55,230 it's been planted or the interpretation 965 00:40:59,870 --> 00:40:57,450 of what that data is telling us however 966 00:41:02,630 --> 00:40:59,880 it's still a physical thing you can 967 00:41:03,950 --> 00:41:02,640 point to and I love that so John's got 968 00:41:05,630 --> 00:41:03,960 his book inside the black vault the 969 00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:05,640 government's UFO Secrets Revealed I 970 00:41:08,660 --> 00:41:07,170 can't wait to dive into it it's 971 00:41:12,109 --> 00:41:08,670 available for pre-order right now at 972 00:41:14,539 --> 00:41:12,119 inside the black vault comm went on on 973 00:41:17,569 --> 00:41:14,549 pre-order just like a couple hours ago 974 00:41:19,579 --> 00:41:17,579 in fact I believe that is correct so 975 00:41:21,410 --> 00:41:19,589 congrats to John I know he's been 976 00:41:23,690 --> 00:41:21,420 working hard on this and you know it's 977 00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:23,700 been has become his life's work dealing 978 00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:26,250 with all of this these these documents 979 00:41:30,710 --> 00:41:29,130 these government files so congrats on 980 00:41:32,690 --> 00:41:30,720 the book John we'll get John on the show 981 00:41:35,450 --> 00:41:32,700 sometime in the near future to talk 982 00:41:36,710 --> 00:41:35,460 about it but I know that's a huge 983 00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:36,720 accomplishment and I'm sure he's 984 00:41:41,990 --> 00:41:38,210 breathing a sigh of relief having that 985 00:41:43,730 --> 00:41:42,000 almost out to him yeah and it can't be 986 00:41:46,999 --> 00:41:43,740 easy writing books with two small 987 00:41:48,380 --> 00:41:47,009 children running around here yeah yeah I 988 00:41:51,109 --> 00:41:48,390 look forward to it - I love 989 00:41:53,210 --> 00:41:51,119 documentation and you know there's a few 990 00:41:55,220 --> 00:41:53,220 publications or books out there they're 991 00:41:57,380 --> 00:41:55,230 kind of great reference documents and 992 00:42:00,529 --> 00:41:57,390 who knows maybe this one will be one of 993 00:42:02,900 --> 00:42:00,539 those where researchers will always go 994 00:42:04,549 --> 00:42:02,910 back to that book because of the 995 00:42:06,589 --> 00:42:04,559 documentation that he's got in there 996 00:42:08,870 --> 00:42:06,599 should be pretty outstanding I'm I'm 997 00:42:10,940 --> 00:42:08,880 excited for it as well all right guys 998 00:42:12,710 --> 00:42:10,950 anything else we need to talk about that 999 00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:12,720 we're looking forward to in 2019 I know 1000 00:42:15,049 --> 00:42:13,650 there's so much 1001 00:42:17,690 --> 00:42:15,059 stuff and there's gonna be so much that 1002 00:42:20,630 --> 00:42:17,700 rolls out here as the year gets going 1003 00:42:23,870 --> 00:42:20,640 but anything else we've missed nothing 1004 00:42:26,180 --> 00:42:23,880 that has enough public information to 1005 00:42:28,930 --> 00:42:26,190 talk about yet so it's very responsible 1006 00:42:32,470 --> 00:42:28,940 of you Maureen thank you 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